Final Push to Health Care Vote with Hoyer and Cantor on ABC

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... as of this morning, still, not a single one willing to go to yes. but with dennis kucinich later this morning, democrats are hoping that one will go from no, to yes. the first one, migrating into the yes camp. a small but very significant step towards passing health care in the house. >> that's right, jon. and top democrats i talked to don't know for sure. but they do hope that dennis kucinich will be a yes. >>> two of the key vote counters for the house. denny hoyer. it takes 216 votes to pass. how many do you have today? >> i don't have a precise number. if i did, i probably wouldn't give it to you, mr. o's mr. o'stephanopoulos. the bless, right up to the last minute. do you have the votes? we think we do. and we did. we think we'll have the votes when the role is called. >> congressman kantor, you put out a vote count in february. you did the work for them. coming up very short. and you had a conclusion. we want to show our viewers that confusion. speaker pelosi will not be able to muster the votes needed to pass a senate reconciliation bill in the house. do you still stand by that conclusion? >> george, i will say this. so far, that prediction is accurate. obviously, they don't have the votes yet. i know they're working very hard. the problem is, i think there's a lot of uncertainty, still, surrounding this bill. and frankly, the american people, i think, think there's a better way. we've been working on this health care bill for a year. the latest news about this health care bill is, perhaps, there is an additional cost that it would push the bill over a trillion dollars, which would result in more medicare cuts to seniors. again, i think there's a lot of uncertainty. people are very frightened about the cost of this bill. i believe that's why there's so much difficulty. >> george, let me say in terms of debt, since the president addressed the nation on health care, the support has gone up 18 points. and ""the wall street journal"" poll that just came out, shows the majority of those responding indicate they're for the bill. an ""economist"" poll showed the same thing a week ago. we think support is growing for this bill, as they see what we're doing. putting americans, and small business in charge of insurance. opening up and making transparent markets. making sure the pre-existing conditions can't preclude people. >> we have a lot to get to. i know that nbc/""wall street journal"" poll is a mixed message. but there's a controversy this morning over the procedure you're contemplating using, where you would deem the senate bill passed. and the rule for this reconciliation bill. i know there's precedent for seeing this done. but some constitutional scholars say that is unconstitutional. and with legislation so divisive and so consequential to so many people, wouldn't it be better to have a clean, up-or-down vote on the senate bill? >> we'll have a clean, up-or-down vote on the senate bill. this is a procedure that was used almost 100 times under newt gingrich. and over 100 times by speaker hastert, which mr. cantor supported, most of the time, if not all of the time. this is not an unusual procedure. we're going to vote on a rule. and like a conference report. conference report comes back. you vote on it. with amendments. unfortunately, the republicans are a little bit like the boy who killed his two parents and then wants sympathy because they're an orphan. they slowed up this bill. wouldn't agree to go to conference. we're going to report out what is essentially a conference report, with amendments. we'll vote on the senate bill in the rule. then, we'll amend the senate bill in the process that is called -- well, forget about the process called. the process that the republicans used 72% of the time that it's been used. >> respond to that congressman cantor. it sounds like the democrats have made a decision to deem the bill. republicans have used this process before. >> george this, is a process that you can avoid direct up-or-down vote on a bill. and again, when you're dealing with a bill like this, that will cost a trillion dollars and it will affect health care for every man, woman and child in this country, i don't think you can go republic. this is an attempt to hide the vote. there's no doubt about it. yes, steny is right. the rules of the house allow for this deeming provision. it's called a self-executing provision, which means that once the bill, the rule for the next bill passes, the senate bill automatically is deemed as having passed. but again, why do that? this is so big. i mean, we should have an up-or-down vote. >> we have ten seconds left. >> go to conference. >> we have ten seconds left. quick question for each of you. congressman cantor, will you ...